My OS X 10.11.6 El Capitan Mail.app mac-forums emails show all new text as quoted

[pm-r]

As the title says, I have just noticed that all my mac-forums emails show all new text as quoted.

Is there something I need to change in my mail preferences that I cannot find or did mac-forums just happen to make some change I have just noticed after recently switching from OS X 10.9.5 Mavericks.

I use Mail's Classic List View and the Preview Window, but even in an opened email window, all new text shows as if it was part of some quoted text.

So far I have found no settings that would cause the problem, it is just rather annoying and not the way it should be.

Examples:




Or is this how mac-forums now sends out followed topic emails???

If not, any suggestions of a fix I can make would be appreciated.
Google searches have not provided me with any type of solution and I am not sure it is not just unique to mac-forums email notices.

Thanks for any help or suggestions or actual info the admins might have.



- Patrick
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[pm-r]

As the title says, I have just noticed that all my mac-forums emails show all new text as quoted.

Bump... Anyone...??? Or did I not explain my situation properly???

Does anyone have any suggestions or is this how mac-forum's email notices now arrive normally, with the recently added reply text already quoted???




- Patrick
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[Jimmysb]

Don’t do email notifications, so wouldn't know, sorry.

 

[pm-r]

Don’t do email notifications, so wouldn't know, sorry.

Well, thank you for your reply anyway Jim. I'm a bit surprised that yours has been the only reply so far. I guess it's a non-issue for others. ;-)




- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

Patrick, to be honest, I don't really understand what you are trying to say. The emails I get look just like what you showed, and have, for a very long time. Maybe you just never noticed it?

 

[pm-r]

Patrick, to be honest, I don't really understand what you are trying to say.

Thanks Jake, I have attached a screenshot with a note hopefully showing what I mean and hopefully it will make sense.

When I was using Mavericks the most recent text in a received email never included any quoted text indication line color for the most recent text at the bottom of the email, but I have noticed it shows since I have switched over to using El Capitan.

The behavior only happens with email from mac-forms, all other emails from other sites show any recent added text as unquoted, ie: no colored line on the side indicating it was quoted.

But I am happy to hear that's the way it "normally" works with mac- forums email and as you and others receive it. I'm satisfied with that, and that it's just a singular quirk somehow.

Thanks for your reply, and I hope my explanation makes things clearer.

Screen shot:




- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

I went back to an email from 2.5 years ago and it looked exactly like that, Patrick. You can see the date in the red oval.

 

[IWT]

@Patrick

Way-out suggestion, but could it be related to "Conversations"? I can't remember when that feature was introduced - in fact I'm struggling to remember most things these days.

If El Cap has that feature, maybe try turning it Off/On to see if that makes a difference?

Ian

 

[pm-r]

Way-out suggestion, but could it be related to "Conversations"?

Good thought Ian, but unfortunately not.

And speaking of the "Conversations" option, that's another thing that annoys me with the El Capitan version of Mail, and that is it no longer works as it did in Mavericks but I can't remember if it was called the same thing but basically grouped similar threaded emails. That no longer works in El Capitan and I used to use it quite often when deleting a string of similar threaded messages when using Mavericks.

I guess a lot of things that Apple provides just change or features are dropped with the "new and improved" macOS and its applications.

I thought "improved" that Apple mentions was just that, that things would get improved and old features that just worked would be kept, but I and others have come to realize that is just a dream fictitious world that one could only hope for. And no, keeping the old features would not increase any substantial bloat I would think.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's suggestions and help. I'll just have to get used to the way it is if I want to keep using the application and I sure wouldn't know how to change anything like some developer programmer people seem capable of doing... sometimes.



- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

And speaking of the "Conversations" option, that's another thing that annoys me with the El Capitan version of Mail, and that is it no longer works as it did in Mavericks but I can't remember if it was called the same thing but basically grouped similar threaded emails. That no longer works in El Capitan and I used to use it quite often when deleting a string of similar threaded messages when using Mavericks.

Patrick, "conversations" is still there in Mail in Ventura. I don't use it because I prefer my messages in time received order, but it's there. In Ventura its under Mail/Settings/Viewiing. I think it would be Mail/Preferences and perhaps Viewing for you, too.

EDIT: There are also options in Mail on the top menu bar under "View" that turns it on/off and some other controls.

 

[pm-r]

Patrick, "conversations" is still there in Mail in Ventura.

I know it's still there, even in El Capitan, but what I stated is that it works differently to how it worked when using the earlier Mac OS version of Mavericks.
But same-subject-thread email from mac-forums might get grouped, but only one of the I multiple emails will be highlighted with any differentiating color.

In Mavericks, all the emails would be grouped and colored appropriately and much easier to control and manipulate what you wanted to do with all or each email. Not so in El Capitan, only part of the features work as they did in Mavericks.

It seems to be typical of Apple's "new and improved" software, to drop good properly used features for the sake of God only knows what. To save a tiny bit of software code space maybe???





- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

But same-subject-thread email from mac-forums might get grouped, but only one of the I multiple emails will be highlighted with any differentiating color.

In Mavericks, all the emails would be grouped and colored appropriately and much easier to control and manipulate what you wanted to do with all or each email. Not so in El Capitan, only part of the features work as they did in Mavericks.

Patrick, I just tested Mail for this.

Here are the two menus for setting up conversations:



That is the top bar menu when I click on "View." Note that there is a "Highlight Conversations" which does, in fact, highlight the conversation. With "Organize by Conversation" selected, all of the messages in that conversation are grouped. So with both selected, you get a single highlighted line for the entire conversation.



This is the Settings (Preferences) menu. There is an option to highlight messages in conversations when not grouped.

So, what is it that you think Mail should do?

 

[pm-r]

This is the Settings (Preferences) menu. There is an option to highlight messages in conversations when not grouped.

So, what is it that you think Mail should do?

Thanks Jake, I have basically the same settings, but the one problem that occurs with mail messages and its conversations are those emails from mac-forums which no longer highlight with a highlight color as they did when I was running Mavericks.

Here is a screenshot of the color selection not working with the mail from mac-forums, and another screenshot showing how other emails still work when similar emails are grouped and selected:




So it seems since my switch from Mavericks to El Capitan, it is only the emails from mac-forums forum that aren't being colored when selected as a conversation group.
The bottom screenshot shows how it used to work in Mavericks and still does in El Capitan, it is only the mac-forums Forum email that is not working properly at present.

I hope that makes more sense with a visual confirmation as to what is going on or not as the case might be.
I get very little if any other emails from other forum sites these days so I cannot tell whether it is something quite unique with mac-forums email notices for followed threads or not, but it is the only source not working as it used to in El Capitan's Mail and as it did in Mavericks Mail.app.
The other grouped messages mail source is working as I would expect it to and as it used to when used in Mavericks.

Maybe the admins could check and see what might have changed if anything, or there is something just unique in the messages I received from max-forum that they cannot be grouped with a selected color.


- Patrick
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[Rod]

Is it possible that although the shown messages are from mac-forums they are not technically the same conversation?

 

[pm-r]

Is it possible that although the shown messages are from mac-forums they are not technically the same conversation?

That is an excellent suggestion Rod, and actually, I posted the wrong screenshot of those emails, and that could possibly be the case, but the screenshot I should have posted is this one, which lists the actual subject of the thread, but act the same when one is selected. In Mavericks they would have all been selected and highlighted but with the others in a lighter shade than the single highlighted one from the main group, in El Capitan, only the one email actually selected email notice gets the highlight color as shown below:


I have nothing to test whether the same situation happens in the latest macOS versions as well, or whether mac-forums change something in the way email notices are sent hence my question and post.

Regardless, I much preferred the way it worked when I was using Mavericks 10.9.x.

EDIT|:
I should have added that the same grouped "Conversations" email notices from mac-forums with the same subject do not get grouped together as they used to when using Mavericks, as screenshot below:






- Patrick
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