One MacBook pro - two user accounts - different WiFi access?

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Can't find a straight answer on the net - some people say it's possible, others say it's not.
Maybe it depends on the version of macOS

Here is what I'm looking for:
On one Mac have two user accounts
One account would be set up normally with WiFi user name and password to access the net
The second account would have no access to the internet at all. WiFi is either disabled (network access set to Ethernet) or simply turned off.
The intent is that if someone gains access to the Mac via WiFi, they would not have (easy) access to the second user's data.
 
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Turning Wi-Fi off affects all user accounts. You would have to use Parental Controls to limit internet access.
The intent is that if someone gains access to the Mac via WiFi, they would not have (easy) access to the second user's data.
That is how macOS operates, unless user login information is known.
 
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The intent is that if someone gains access to the Mac via WiFi,
That is a very unlikely scenario. Just being able to see that there is a machine with WiFi turned on does not allow "access" to that machine.
they would not have (easy) access to the second user's data.
Unless the user has admin or some superuser access, they can't see any other account's data.

But if you want to persist, just log into the second user and then use System Settings to turn WiFi off. I don't think it can be set by a login process.

Given what you would need to do, you could just turn WiFi off any time you felt threatened and not have the fuss of two accounts.
 
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That is a very unlikely scenario. Just being able to see that there is a machine with WiFi turned on does not allow "access" to that machine.
Yes, I know that.
But try to convince a non-technical user of that. For them WiFi on = Internet connection.
I have the Mac firewall set to "stealth" and can demonstrater that with "Shiels'a Up" - but that didn't help.
Unless the user has admin or some superuser access, they can't see any other account's data.

But if you want to persist, just log into the second user and then use System Settings to turn WiFi off. I don't think it can be set by a login process.

Given what you would need to do, you could just turn WiFi off any time you felt threatened and not have the fuss of two accounts.
That's what she does right now - turn WiFi off at night but there is still that concern of someone getting to these special files.
Her idea now is tto get a second older Mac and put all the sensitive files on that. That Mac would never connect to the net.
'I was looking for a way around that because space is very limited and there is really no room for two Macs.
Other ideas are to put those files on an external drive that is only connected to the Mac when a special file is needed or to put all the special files into an encrypted folder.
 
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The intent is that if someone gains access to the Mac via WiFi, they would not have (easy) access to the second user's data.

That would be completely unnecessary if the Mac is being used under normal conditions with normal security protection enabled. That's the sort of BS they broadcast in some movies and is completely fictitious and nothing to do with reality. 😉



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That's what she does right now - turn WiFi off at night but there is still that concern of someone getting to these special files.
Her idea now is tto get a second older Mac and put all the sensitive files on that. That Mac would never connect to the net.
'I was looking for a way around that because space is very limited and there is really no room for two Macs.

You and she seem to have a very poor understanding of how security and access actually works on a Mac and you're thinking and suggestions are completely Overkill and in the wrong direction.

If there is such a concern over certain files why not stick them into a folder on their own, compress it and encrypt it and put it into its own folder that you could make invisible if you wanted/

Or just get another separate external storage device and move them on to it and get one with the power switch that you can just turn off when not needed. It certainly wouldn't be available for access if it was powered off when not needed. 😉



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Or just get another separate external storage device and move them on to it and get one with the power switch that you can just turn off when not needed. It certainly wouldn't be available for access if it was powered off when not needed.
This is the best solution of the mix. Get a USB drive, put the "special" stuff on it and once on, eject and unplug it from the Mac. Teach her how to do that correctly. (Eject first, then unplug.) Then put the drive somewhere she feels"safe"about. When she wants/needs the files, plug it in and it should mount and let her get to the files.

Turning on her firewall is a bit of overkill, too. Unless she has a portable and takes it to use on public local network like coffee shops, etc., the probability that someone will try to get into her Mac directly is very low, virtually zero. But if it makes her "feel" better, it probably won't do much harm to have it on.

She really needs to be educated about the real risks, as Patrick has indicated. What you see in movies/TV and read in the mainstream press is so over the top about security risks that people over-react and lost the ability to think rationally about it.

For example:

1. Her internet access modem/router probably has a robust firewall (99.9% do). That should prevent most attacks from the Internet into her own local network.
2. Her WiFi connects to a local network with local network addresses, not directly to the internet. Even if she has just ONE device using the network, it is a fully separate local area network on the customer side of the ISP router. All connections go through the router, which has a different address within the Internet Service Provider's own network, and (maybe) that eventually has a port to the real Internet. Or there may be another layer after that. The bottom line is the "real" Internet is layers and layers away.
3. Nobody can connect to her local network without the password for that network, and if she has a robust one, that provides a LOT of protection.
4. Nobody can connect to her Mac unless she authorizes it, even if they somehow manage to get inside her local network, or the ISPs network.
5. 99% of data theft from individual computers come through human failings--falling for click bait emails, installing apps from places that aren't trusworthy, installing pirated software with malware in it (you get what you pay for), falling for phishing emails/texts, etc.

Typically, naive users like this one get taken by the bad guys just because they don't know how things work. They install "protection" that is actually malware that gives the bad guys access, when if they had simply done nothing, they would have been secure.

What she is doing (turning off the WiFi, wanting a separate computer, etc.) is a bit like taking the wheels off your car each night after you park it in your garage, just in case some car thief migt break into your garage AND has the keys to the car. Over the top.
 
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If there is such a concern over certain files why not stick them into a folder on their own, compress it and encrypt it and put it into its own folder that you could make invisible if you wanted/

Or just get another separate external storage device and move them on to it and get one with the power switch that you can just turn off when not needed. It certainly wouldn't be available for access if it was powered off when not needed. 😉
I guess you didn't read to the end of my post #4 because these are the other two possibilities I already mentioned there.
 
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I guess you didn't read to the end of my post #4 because these are the other two possibilities I already mentioned there.

I'm sorry I missed that part that you previously posted and you'll have to excuse my macular degeneration that unfortunately is getting worse and probably caused me to miss noticing part of your post. Some of the Apple Accessibility features are a great help but they are not always perfect for the easiest to use. But I am grateful they are there otherwise I would not even be able to use my iMac.

Anyway, I hope you get all the problems you mentioned sorted out. 😉



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I'm sorry I missed that part that you previously posted and you'll have to excuse my macular degeneration that unfortunately is getting worse and probably caused me to miss noticing part of your post. Some of the Apple Accessibility features are a great help but they are not always perfect for the easiest to use. But I am grateful they are there otherwise I would not even be able to use my iMac.
Quick side nopte:
I have the age related macular degeneration as well
Accessibility > flipping colours (white text on black) helps a lot.
One other thing I just found recently that helps as well is "Command J" in a folder - allows increase of font of file listing in that folder
 

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