Performance G3 v G4 v Intel

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Hey I am so not a mac guy, but recently got a G3 IMac and a G4 PowerPC. I have no clue as to what the performance are compaired to another and to Intel chips and was wondering what are the perfomance equivelant of each....The Imac is a 500Mhz G3 and the PowerPC is a 400Mhz G4 both running Tiger.

What is the G4 equivelant of a 500Mhz G3?
What is the Intel equivelant of a 400Mhz G4?

Please use terms a PC guy might be able to understand, this is the first time Ive dabbled with Macs, thank you for any help.
 
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1st question, no idea. Second question:
G4 equivalent is probably an Intel Pentium III 500-700.
 
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way off...you cannot compare a g3/g4/g5 to a pentium cpu..their not even in the same league...their not running the same applications so you cannot compare it to that...g3/g4/g5 processors are designed to run the mac applications and the pentiums (crap) are designed to run windows (crap) programs and OS's...
 
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On the contrary actually they do run many of the same applications...photoshop, office, certain games to name a few. So I am just interested in how they compair in performance rating. There may indeed be no direct coorelation between a G4 and an Intel as there are with an AMD and Intel, but Im sure there are numbers that compair the two running similair programs and can give you a ballpark esimate on how fast a G4 is compaired to a Intel.

Thanks to the first to reply. I was hoping for something more specific since thats a pretty wide range of Pentium clockspeed and theres a huge difference in just a 500mhz and 700mhz pentium.
 
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jcubed said:
Hey I am so not a mac guy, but recently got a G3 IMac and a G4 PowerPC. I have no clue as to what the performance are compaired to another and to Intel chips and was wondering what are the perfomance equivelant of each....The Imac is a 500Mhz G3 and the PowerPC is a 400Mhz G4 both running Tiger.

What is the G4 equivelant of a 500Mhz G3?
What is the Intel equivelant of a 400Mhz G4?

Please use terms a PC guy might be able to understand, this is the first time Ive dabbled with Macs, thank you for any help.

Welp, as many of you may argue they are different leagues, its still possible to compare:

From my experience, you would need about 800mhz G3 to compete with a G4 400mhz. Ruffly 1.5ghz g4 to compete with 1ghz g5. Assuming of course they all have the same RAM and other specs.

Intel to mac.. well... I usta have comparison charts with using Adobe and running Quake3... But those are lost I think. I would rather use Adobe photoshop with a G4 733mhz Powermac, than any 1.6ghz Pentium 4. It would probably about the same speed though.

Much of that would have to do with the architecture. And OS running. Im not sure if I would want tiger on a G3.. or a G4 400mhz.. I may like Panther .. jaguar would be nice though.
 
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thanks again for the reply. Tiger has really run wonderfly on my 400mhz G4 with 512 ram. I was really trying the out to see if I would want to take a step up to the Mac Mini. I may not even bother as the G4 does everything I need, at least at the moment.
 
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Racing666 said:
pentiums (crap)

That crap will be running Mac's in the next 1-2 years
 
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What is the model of G4 that you have? There are plenty of upgrades out there that cost far less than a mini. If you're interested we can recommend a few, if not, then good day.
 
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I beleive its the model right after the B&W. its like purple and grey, but still has the kinda curved handles, not the more squared ones that came later. LOL I dont know if that tells you anything but Id love some recomendations.
 
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jcubed said:
I beleive its the model right after the B&W. its like purple and grey, but still has the kinda curved handles, not the more squared ones that came later. LOL I dont know if that tells you anything but Id love some recomendations.

Is this what you are talking about?
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And thats an old iMac. :)
 

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There is no Purple Powermac that I have ever seen. There is a Blue and White G3 then the next was the Grey (Graphite) G4. Only purple Mac is an IMac called Grape.
 
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trpnmonkey41 said:
That crap will be running Mac's in the next 1-2 years


i won't buy one.... my nose cringes at anything that Intel does...maybe once mac smacks them around a bit, they may actually manufacture something decent...the P4 cpu is a memory hungry joke..
 
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i won't buy one.... my nose cringes at anything that Intel does...maybe once mac smacks them around a bit, they may actually manufacture something decent...the P4 cpu is a memory hungry joke..

Your problem is not with the P4,it is with windows the operating system that runs on it. When you think about it the P4 is a really good processor and the only problem with it is it has a very larg pipeline, If intel can shorten that pipeline just a tad then it will really destroy the g5. Even now it is really impressing the devlopers that already have their hands on the intel powered macs. You will be missing out if you are that ignorant to not buy something just because of a name brand, so many people do that to apple saying that its crap and they never really gave it a try... Intel is actually better then powerpc because they have figured out how to create a high powered architechure that does not produce so much heat that their high speed towers do not require water cooling. Unless you are one of those few people who like to overclock the chip in which case the power of the computer would be really fast and then would need the water cooled, but overclocking lets say a G5 if it was possible would destroy the computer because of all the heat that the watercooling would not be able to cool the chip. So please to not be ignorant and bash products just because they have a high market share, when indeed they are a good product and I am excited for them to be in the new line of apple products.

So the actual meaning of this post is that the P4 is a good processor but the Windows that runs on it runs through the memory and leaves nothing left for other things that you want to do, so now you know for when macs with P4s come out that you will be fine in buying them, or else you are going to be running and AMD processor but still running windows and you will still have all the spyware and adware adn viruses, and a poor excuse for and operating system running your memory.. now I am not saying that I am against windows, if you know what you are doing it can be a good operating system but for the average user, the people who think that how crappy a computer is can be based 100% on the processor, then it is not the best operating system and can cause alot of user errors and crashes.
 
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Welp, as many of you may argue they are different leagues, its still possible to compare:

From my experience, you would need about 800mhz G3 to compete with a G4 400mhz. Ruffly 1.5ghz g4 to compete with 1ghz g5. Assuming of course they all have the same RAM and other specs.

Intel to mac.. well... I usta have comparison charts with using Adobe and running Quake3... But those are lost I think. I would rather use Adobe photoshop with a G4 733mhz Powermac, than any 1.6ghz Pentium 4. It would probably about the same speed though.

Much of that would have to do with the architecture. And OS running. Im not sure if I would want tiger on a G3.. or a G4 400mhz.. I may like Panther .. jaguar would be nice though.

I agree with your comments for the most parts, except your comparison of the G4 733mhz to a P4-1.6ghz. I have the Ultimate 15" powerbook, and it does not seem very 'ultimate' to me. My experience with this machine reminds me of my old P3-1 ghz with 1 Gig ram....not too fast, but good enough for most purposes. Unless of course my old P3-1 Ghz is faster than a P4-1.6ghz....which I doubt. Bottom line is this laptop is good for office apps, slower on the graphics part (ie. photoshop, etc.), but terrible on games...like UT2004. I still love this mac because of one thing...it's a beautiful machine....
 
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jcubed said:
sorry the graphite looked purplish to me lol, kinda color blind here ;)

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