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I'm glancing over Pages' preferences myself here. If you want Pages to always start with a generic "Blank" document, then you can do that via the menu at:

Pages » Settings » General
On the first setting, For New Documents, change it to Use template and then click Change Template to pick the default one of your choice.

The invisibles, aka formatting symbols, that MacInWin explained for you... I don't get those by default and never have. You can change the color and opacity as he pointed out, but that isn't the actual problem at hand. The problem is that they are appearing in the first place. This is NOT the default behavior. You must have turned them on accidentally (hey, it happens). Just toggle them off via the menu:

View » Hide Invisibles

If you simply change the opacity to effectively hide them, you will never ever see them, even if you have a bona fide NEED to see them for checking your layout.

If you are pasting text with multiple formatting styles that you want to remove... rather than simply pasting it, use the option Paste and Match Style, found under the Edit menu item.
 
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If you simply change the opacity to effectively hide them, you will never ever see them, even if you have a bona fide NEED to see them for checking your layout.
True, but you also won't see them if they are turned off using your method, and both are fully reversible. But, as usual, Apple has multiple ways of getting to the same end. I don't have the old version of Pages, as I said, and I didn't think of using "View" to show/hide the invisibles. Good catch!
 
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True, but you also won't see them if they are turned off using your method, and both are fully reversible. But, as usual, Apple has multiple ways of getting to the same end. I don't have the old version of Pages, as I said, and I didn't think of using "View" to show/hide the invisibles. Good catch!

Well the problem with changing the opacity to effectively hide them is that it's a much more tedious method of tackling this and obviously not the intended method. It's actually rather silly that this is even possible. I mean, invisible invisibles? 🤦‍♂️
 
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Well the problem with changing the opacity to effectively hide them is that it's a much more tedious method of tackling this. It's actually rather silly that this is even possible. I mean, invisible invisibles? 🤦‍♂️
True. As I said, I didn't see the View option, which is cleaner, but I did find the opacity option, which works if the user NEVER wants to see the invisibles.

Horses for courses, as they say...
 
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True. As I said, I didn't see the View option, which is cleaner, but I did find the opacity option, which works if the user NEVER wants to see the invisibles.

Horses for courses, as they say...

Of course. And it's easy to miss if one never uses it. I figured it had to be there somewhere since them showing isn't the default behavior. It had to have been toggled on by mistake... easy if you accidentally press the hotkey combo by mistake.
 
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In the most current version, those dots and symbols are called "invisibles" in the preferences, and you can set the opacity and color. If you set the opacity to 0, they disappear. They are intended to help in formatting and selection, so you know if you have any invisible controls in the selected materials.


If I may say so, without appearing to be rude, what they are calling "Invisibles" have been part of the Mac OS if I recall correctly since Clarisworks, and then Appleworks and still now with Pages, and as far as I know even Windows applications uses that phrase and you can probably find more in the built-in Pages Help using us search for "Invisibles".
In the older Apple versions it was enabled or disabled from the menu bar or in preferences.

To help with the decision of what Pages document type to use, if they still allow one to do so, I used to make a boilerplate template all of the style I wanted to use and then double-click or choose it when launching Pages rather than using Apple's multi click method to end up with the document type you want to use.

The Finder used to be able to create a "Stationary Pad" (ie: boilerplate Template) one could use, but I don't know if that is still available with later macOS versions.

PS: for the OP and their desire to create notes from their copy and paste, they may be more content to use an application such as Notes or just a simple Text Editor application as opposed to a full-fledged word processor that is like Pages.

And if they do a lot of copy-pasting, I would suggest using a multi-clip application, and I use an old copy of ClipMenu that I prefer if it still works with the later macOS versions, check their site and see:


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Pages: In Apple’s Pages, you can reveal invisible characters by choosing View > Show Invisibles. To hide them, choose View > Hide Invisibles—the command changes based on whether or not they’re showing.





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If I may say so, without appearing to be rude, what they are calling "Invisibles" have been part of the Mac OS if I recall correctly since Clarisworks, and then Appleworks and still now with Pages, and as far as I know even Windows applications uses that phrase and you can probably find more in the built-in Pages Help using us search for "Invisibles".
In the older Apple versions it was enabled or disabled from the menu bar or in preferences.

It still is done that way in the current version.

To help with the decision of what Pages document type to use, if they still allow one to do so, I used to make a boilerplate template all of the style I wanted to use and then double-click or choose it when launching Pages rather than using Apple's multi click method to end up with the document type you want to use.

The Finder used to be able to create a "Stationary Pad" (ie: boilerplate Template) one could use, but I don't know if that is still available with later macOS versions.

You can set a preference to automatically use a particular template, per my prior post. Though I suppose opening a template directly might be slightly faster.

PS: for the OP and their desire to create notes from their copy and paste, they may be more content to use an application such as Notes or just a simple Text Editor application as opposed to a full-fledged word processor that is like Pages.

Use "Paste and Match Style" instead of "Paste. Strips all formatting.
 
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So... you made a choice to upgrade your Mac because the non-Apple software you choose to use required the upgrade, and somehow this is Apple's fault? Ok.....



Ok, I have the current version of Pages. When I open Pages, I get a list of document types to choose from: "Blank"; "Classic Resume"; Bold Type Envelope"; and so on. It's easy enough to clcik on "Blank". AFAIK, Pages has always worked liked this. I want to say MS Word does also.



Define "regular".



Huh? Yes you can. If some items are bold and you want them all not bold, then highlight it all; click on B to make it all bold; then click the B again to make it all not bold. Same thing for other types of formatting. I mean, literally, this is how it has always worked in Pages and every other word processing app that I can recall.
Yes, I'm going to be a baby and blame Apple. They make unnecessary changes to things that do NOT need to be changed! Blech.

I DID click on "Blank" document. That's what I got. I think.

"Regular" - plain old text document that is EASY to edit. NOT a word processing document. I just want my iWorks Pages. Easy peasy to use.

NO, I can NOT "highlight it all; click on B to make it all bold..." So far, the only way I've been able to highlight it all and make changes is to click on "Body" in the Text Style, but even that doesn't work. I frequently copy articles from a site that formats their articles as such - Title is LARGE and colored; author is smaller, in two colors, and contains a link. So, I copy the title and author. I highlight all of it to make my changes. I click on the font size I wish it to be. NOTHING. I click on the color I wish it to be. NOTHING. And, sometimes, even clicking on "Body" in the Style section won't change it. I have to highlight the title, make those changes, then highlight the author and make those changes. And, throughout the body of the article, they will often use Italics and bold. I can highlight a paragraph to make the changes throughout that paragraph, but it will NOT change. I have to click on "Body" in the Style to make it change.

So, when I copy and paste, I have tried pasting with the formatting, but there is NOT an option to do that with the right click. I can go to Edit, then paste and match style. Thought Apple was supposed to be "intuitive", but adding another move of the mouse to get to the action I wish to make isn't all that intuitive. It does, however, get me closer to how I want the text to be.

Guess I'm getting to old to enjoy change. :(
 
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If you want to easily strip copied text of all formatting, then what you want to use is a plain text editor. TextMate is one I have on hand and it's free. Take formatted text; paste it into a new TextMate document; and formatting is gone. *poof*

EDIT: you can disregard this. "Paste and Match Style" is what you want to be using. See my next post.
Thanks! I may check that out.
 
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You still haven't told us which version of Pages you are using, so I can't point you to stuff just for the version that you are using. But there are a bunch of really nice free user guides and tutorials on how to learn to use Pages:

Pages YouTube tutorial

ScreenCast


From Apple
Pages For Mac User Guide (free)

Pages for Mac Starter Guide (free)
Uh, yes, I said I'm using v. 12.1. Not all that old.

Thanks for the links. I'll take a look.
 
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I feel your pain, TanBrae, the last update I did I was not very happy with at the time as it was rather early in the release of Catalina and I suddenly had lots of little connectivity things that no longer existed until developers got them updated. But, eventually it all got up to speed and this older machine won't be updated to anything newer. I also did not do my homework and didn't realize Catalina uses the new Apple disk format so that creates problems when other OSes can't even see the data on that partition.
It sounds like you HAD to upgrade. I keep two partitions for MUST HAVE software that runs on an older OS, and I boot into that and just deal with not having internet or cloud services. Catalina is my connectivity OS while my no nonsense older OS for certain programs remains intact and ready when necessary. If you have enough disk space and don't have two boot partitions, you may want to consider it for this kind of scenario if it comes to that later on.
Thanks! Glad I'm not the only one.

I have considered making a partition so I can use my older software. I spent a TON of money for the Adobe suite when I was in college, and now... :( (Ah, well. Affinity is almost as good, and I OWN it, rather than paying a stupid subscription, AND, it isn't EXPENSIVE.) ;)

Any way, until I get a newer computer, I don't think this one will handle the partition option. I'm hoping next year to get a new one.

Sounds like I'm still glad I skipped Catalina! ;)
 
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So, while I'm still quite ANNOYED, I'm working with it. Pages isn't what it used to be, but I'll get by. For now.

Thanks for listening to my rants, and for the help. I DO appreciate it!
 
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Uh, yes, I said I'm using v. 12.1. Not all that old.

Thanks for the links. I'll take a look.
The most recent Pages is 12.2.1, so you aren't that far behind. I'm running Ventura, which may be why I have 12.2.1, but you can check for an update to your 12.1 to see if you can get to 12.2.1.

I have found that for MOST things (not all, but most) you can click on the top bar "Edit" then "Select all" and then with everything highlighted make the changes and it applies to all of the document. Change font, color, bold, italic, underlined, etc. I just tested it with a PDF I had and it worked. I think you said you copied from Facebook, which would be websites, which would be HTML I just went to a group I am in and copied one post, a long one, with multiple fonts/font sizes, etc., and then pasted to a new Pages page and was able to Select All and apply Font/Fontsize/Appearance and alignment changes universally.

So, tell us what you are trying to copy/paste to Pages that is more, or different, from a post in a group and we can do some experimenting to see what works best.

EDIT: One observation, with Select All and all of the document highlighted, the invisibles for paragraphs show up again. They disappear once you click away the Select All. I didn't want you to go all ballistic thinking that Pages was changing things when that happened. It's how it works.
 

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I'm running Ventura, which may be why I have 12.2.1, but you can check for an update to your 12.1 to see if you can get to 12.2.1

Just for info: Pages 12.2.1 also runs on Monterey.

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Yes, I'm going to be a baby and blame Apple. They make unnecessary changes to things that do NOT need to be changed! Blech.

What you call unnecessary changes, others have a great appreciation for. It's still perfectly capable of working to your liking, you just for some quite frankly bizarre reason aren't doing so. I've been using Pages on and off for several years now, and your complaints just simply make zero sense to me. Quite frankly, I'm beginning to think you never actually used Pages, but rather were using TextEdit, which has long been bundled with the Mac OS and was a simpler plain text editor until a few years ago when they made it a little more robust.

I can say that there is one change to Pages that I believe was made, and that's at some point, when pasting content into a document, it pastes it EXACTLY (or as precisely as it can) the way it was on the source, including background colors, font sizes, etc. I believe that before, it might have kept bold and italics, but not background colors and so on. This is a relatively new enhancement that most "modern" word processors have started doing. I might be mis-remembering that to some degree, but anyway.... EASILY fixed. Use "Paste and Match Style" per my other posts, and all formatting is stripped.

I DID click on "Blank" document. That's what I got. I think.

"Regular" - plain old text document that is EASY to edit. NOT a word processing document. I just want my iWorks Pages. Easy peasy to use.

Sounds more like TextEdit to me, althought TextMate is truer to how TextEdit was in the past. Pages has ALWAYS been a word processing alternative to MS Word and the others. ALWAYS!

EDIT: If you doubt me on this, watch the video of Steve Jobs introducing iWork for the first time in 2005. Jump to the 3:30 mark. He touted all the features of Pages as a modern word processor, complete with... drum roll please.... a TEMPLATE picker! Pages has always always ALWAYS been like this.

NO, I can NOT "highlight it all; click on B to make it all bold..." So far, the only way I've been able to highlight it all and make changes is to click on "Body" in the Text Style, but even that doesn't work. I frequently copy articles from a site that formats their articles as such - Title is LARGE and colored; author is smaller, in two colors, and contains a link. So, I copy the title and author. I highlight all of it to make my changes. I click on the font size I wish it to be. NOTHING. I click on the color I wish it to be. NOTHING. And, sometimes, even clicking on "Body" in the Style section won't change it. I have to highlight the title, make those changes, then highlight the author and make those changes. And, throughout the body of the article, they will often use Italics and bold. I can highlight a paragraph to make the changes throughout that paragraph, but it will NOT change. I have to click on "Body" in the Style to make it change.

Look, I'm going to be blunt. This is baloney. You most certainly can. I can. I always have been able to. This is how virtually EVERY word processing app works, if not literally every single one. I've been using a variety of word processing apps since the late '80s (DOS, Windows, and Mac), so I feel pretty good about making this claim. What I think may be the problem is you literally are using it wrong. You are using, or TRYING to use, the Paragraph Styles menu to make template-based changes to selected text, which isn't necessarily a wrong way to do it. But have you ACTUALLY selected the entire text before selecting a paragraph style? Or did you just paste it all and without re-selecting everything (just press CMD-A to select all), you tried changing the style? If the latter, then of course it didn't work. You changed the style on literally nothing. Make sure you have selected the text that you want to effect a change on; then either use the paragraph style picker if that suits you or simply toggle B or I to cycle through making all the selected text bold/un-bold italicized/un-italicized. Heck, that's how it works right here in this very forum!

If you continue to struggle here, you'll need to provide a specific example of a page where you are copying text from and can't accomplish what you need so we can validate the steps needed.

And one more quick EDIT here... I was using the term "highlight", but these apps have a highlighter akin to what you'd use on paper, so on the off-chance you are thinking I meant that, then no... don't use the highlighter tool. Select the text with the mouse, or use CMD-A to select everything. "Highlight" is an old-school way of saying "select with the mouse" because it does get highlighted in a manner separate from un-selected text.

So, when I copy and paste, I have tried pasting with the formatting, but there is NOT an option to do that with the right click. I can go to Edit, then paste and match style. Thought Apple was supposed to be "intuitive", but adding another move of the mouse to get to the action I wish to make isn't all that intuitive. It does, however, get me closer to how I want the text to be.

Why are you trying to do that with a right-click? I'm guessing you are trying to insert the text in between other text? So don't right-click. Use the top menu item as I pointed out already, or use the keyboard shortcut command for the action. Position your cursor where you want the text; use the top menu item or press OPTION-SHIFT-COMMAND-V. And BOOM! Text pasted with formatting stripped. Just look right there at the menu. The keyboard shortcut for every action is listed next to the action.

EDIT: I just realized I missed that you don't want to move the mouse to go to the top menu. This MIGHT be addressable with 3rd party software or other means... I'll have to think about that. Anyway, something worth pointing out... if you wind up wanting to use the keyboard shortcut for "Paste and Match Style" frequently but find that keyboard combo cumbersome, it CAN be changed via an existing feature in macOS. But we can cover that at a later time.
 
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I've long complained about Apple's STUPID software policies, from abandoning Aperture (seriously, ***?), to the lobotomization of Final Cut Pro, and the iOS hammer they took to the iWork '09 suite, the latter two of which they eventually, mostly, resolved via updates and the return of features, in a process that took *years* and lost uncounted numbers of users in the process.

I was a daily user of Pages & Keynote in the '09 suite, and while there were bugs that bugged me, no pun intended, that was nothing compared to the mess those apps were turned into in order to unify file versions / feature sets with the iOS counterparts. It was handled *horribly*.

That said... I've recently moved up to Ventura and the latest versions of the iWork (I guess it's not called that anymore) suite, and all is mostly fine. The hint posted above about Command-Option-Shift-V to "Paste & Match Style" is incredibly useful. Just don't expect it to work in Microsoft bloody Word. There aren't words to describe how much I hate Word (and I work with it every day).
 
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The hint posted above about Command-Option-Shift-V to "Paste & Match Style" is incredibly useful. Just don't expect it to work in Microsoft bloody Word. There aren't words to describe how much I hate Word (and I work with it every day).

There seems to be lots of suggestions get it to work with Microsoft Word:

But if you despise it that that much, are the standing replacements worse in that you don't use them???

And yes, I completely agree that Apple really messed up a lot it's software and applications that seemed to take ages to get rectified, if I'd ever did. I can't even run their latest versions so I don't know, but the old stuff seems to still work for my use in Mavericks 10.9.5. One could still even make some modifications to suit the user, but Apple seems to have removed all that for the sake of security...



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Just don't expect it to work in Microsoft bloody Word. There aren't words to describe how much I hate Word (and I work with it every day).

Fist bump to you. 🤜 I utterly loathe MS Word, but same... gotta use it at times. I don't know about you, but I freaking LOVED WordPerfect back in the day, and really hate how Corel never figured out what to do with it. They really missed the boat by not taking the opportunity to go strong on OS X.
 
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There seems to be lots of suggestions get it to work with Microsoft Word:

I don't recall any posts suggesting using MS Word. That keyboard shortcut for Paste and Match Style is pretty much universal to apps that use that as a feature. Heck, it's right there in Safari's menu.
 
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I don't know about you, but I freaking LOVED WordPerfect back in the day,


+1. 100%.

One of the best made for Mac applications ever.



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