Reaching the hard limit on the size of Apple's icloud calendar?

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Reminders is an app on the Mac. Free. It can be set to remind you of an item at a day and time, if you want, or on a period at the same time. I have four reminders set to trigger daily. They pop up as notifications. I also used it when I had some meds that needed to be taken on a strict time regime, so I had Reminders set for that interval during the day for that week. Calendar is, for me, great at appointments, meetings, things with significant duration, but for a quick memory jog to do something, Reminders is much better.
 
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I read it that several categories have set limits. And no mention of any extra money being able to buy you more, and I thought everything came down to money!!! 😏

As Randy would say, maybe they should get a lawyer to write up what the limits actually truly are so it is not so ambiguous.


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Yes it would definitely be very very useful to have some sort of management for these. Some sort of ability to see the amount of storage taken up and an ability to archive or delete en-masse to free up space. Would have saved me a LOT of time as the error messages are extremely vague and vary, some relate to storage, some to an error /14 but not specific in regards to the 1GB calendar limit. None of the Apple "experts" I spoke to had the faintest idea of the issue and were all going down the icloud storage track which based seems obvious at first. I wish!
 
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Reminders is an app on the Mac. Free. It can be set to remind you of an item at a day and time, if you want, or on a period at the same time. I have four reminders set to trigger daily. They pop up as notifications. I also used it when I had some meds that needed to be taken on a strict time regime, so I had Reminders set for that interval during the day for that week. Calendar is, for me, great at appointments, meetings, things with significant duration, but for a quick memory jog to do something, Reminders is much better.
Yes however that 1GB/50,000 entry limit applies to both calender and reminders so she would have hit the limit either way, or maybe not after iOS 13, iPadOS, or macOS Catalina? Limits for iCloud Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Bookmarks and Maps

Either way we still have the issue and need to find a workaround/solution.
 

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I WISH! It seems like it SHOULD be that way.
Well if it doesn't do that and I don't have enough records to test this, but if you do have 10 years worth of events and there is a reasonable way of deleting events past the couple of years, that might your best bet here.

Especially if the events were largely reminder based, you're long past those reminders so deleting might be best.
 
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Yes it would definitely be very very useful to have some sort of management for these.
You have that in each individual app. But since you want an archive of everything, your data limits are being consumed.

I was using Reminders for my daily meds since it was released and in total I have 38,000 reminders in my history. At o e point I had 50 reminders scheduled. From bills (monthly/yearly) to appointments/phone calls. It would take about 1 minute for Reminders to open and sync across my devices so I had to stop using it for everything. This year I chose a different iOS app and took my meds off the Reminders app. Now I only have 17 reminders set up. And now it takes about 20 seconds for Reminders to open and sync across my devices.
 
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Yes I definitely want to find a better calendaring solution if that is the toure we choose to go down, I literally had no idea Apple's calendar database had such tiny limits so I want to choose one going forward that isn't going to have me scratching my head in another 10 years or less as she has been increasing her calendar useage each year.

Apple sure isn't the only calendar app In the world, and maybe these might be worth taking a look at.

I would certainly skip the first one that's mentioned, Apple Calendar, but the second choice Fantastical.app was an excellent application when I used to use it, but it became too expensive and elaborate for my needs and far to much overkill, but it may just suit your wife's needs.

Just a thought... And I don't think it has a pthe number of entries.

Have a look here:

And here:


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I had quickly looked at some of these options yesterday but none seem to be up front about capacity limits - if in fact there are some.
One would have to contact the developer.
 
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Yeh I also have to consider the convenience factor for her. She's not the most IT technically savy person. A heavy "user" but everything needs to be set up for her. I'm currently leaning to enabling her gmail calendar as she already has a gmail account that is already set up across all her devices - macbook, iphone, ipad, mac studio, imac so that saves me time and then just "training" her to use the gmail calendar (not as easy as it sounds). I'm still waiting on a follow up from an apple "expert" from support as to my mind (being an ex senior systems engineer MCSE Windows NT 4.0, Server 2000, Server 2003 that supported 3000 plus desktops and 60 plus servers in a University environment a quota means just that "a quota") so once I get that confirmation that there is no possibility of increasing it or some automated process that will reduce space or that it is definitely full and not some other error then I'll just go with that. You learn something every day.
 

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One of my users experienced the problem of the original poster, and I spent some time investigating and resolving the issue a while ago.

There are several major components of the typical modern online calendar:
  1. The front-end program(s) that you use to view/create/modify/etc. calendar events. The "Calendar" program on recent macOS releases is an example of one. The default "Calendar" program on recent versions of iOS and iPadOS is another one. There are also third party programs that you can obtain to do this function. Microsoft Outlook is one that is used by many businesses. The Fantastical program mentioned in a previous reply is another alternative front-end program.
  2. The back-end data store where your data actually lives. Technically, the simplest option for this is to just store the data on one machine; however, this is not terribly useful to many people because they have multiple devices and they'd like to be able to access their calendar from all of them. So, you need some system that can store your data, replicate changes made on one machine to all of your other machines, and generally keep everything working and synchronized. iCloud is the Apple-provided back-end system that the original poster was using. Google and Microsoft also offer services to do this.
Multiple large companies, including Apple, Google, and Microsoft have calendar systems that handle both the front-end and back-end functions. These companies usually suggest that you should use a system that involves only their products, but, in many cases, this is not technically required.

The front-end program that you use is not a major component of your problem. So, just changing your front end program to something like Fantastical will not solve your problem if you keep the same iCloud back-end data store.

The problem that the original poster had is an iCloud problem. Unfortunately, the limit described is a hard and static per-account limit. You can encounter this limit with your calendar, even if you have lots of iCloud storage space available for files, photos, etc., so the problem can be encountered without filling your iCloud storage quota. Upgrading to a more expensive plan from Apple iCloud also won't help, as your calendar limits stay the same, even as you get more GB/TB for general purpose documents, photos, etc.

Reducing the size of the calendar was not an option for my user. For a variety of reasons, he needed to be able to look up information about past appointments, meetings, trips, etc. and he wanted to be able to do all of that from within one program. He went even father than the original poster, in that, not only was he wanting to preserve all of the data from the time he started using calendar on a Mac; he was actually going back and adding in data about major meetings, trips, etc. from older calendar systems, including paper calendars. At the time we first experienced the problem, I think he was back to the mid 1990s. With the solution described here, his online calendar now goes back to the early 1970s.

If you don't like these iCloud limits, you may want to send your iCloud feedback to Apple, but I did that several years ago, and the limits haven't changed, so I suspect they may need a lot more people to request a change before Apple does anything.

The thing that did work for my user was switching his back-end-storage of calendar data to Google. There were several steps to this, and it took some time as he had to back up his entire set of calendars from iCloud, and then go in and add his Google account to his accounts in the "Internet Accounts" area, and then load the data you previously backed up into Google. He could still use the standard Apple front-end programs to interact with his calendar, even though the data was stored with Google.

Note 1: Some detail/complexity unrelated to the original problem was omitted from this answer.
Note 2: Limits of other calendar systems, like Google or Microsoft, are not always as clearly defined as the Apple limits. As an example, a slightly older document from Google about calendar rate limits indicated that they would have a problem if you made 100,000 calendar events too quickly, but Apple iCloud will have a problem if you make more than half that many entries in any period of time. Microsoft, like Google, is a bit vague as to what their precise limits are, but they appear to be higher than the Apple limits and somewhat related to the level of product/service that you get from them.
 
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I have been a Mac user since 1985. When I abandoned salaried work and became a consultant in 2010 my use of the Apple Calendar became essential. I no longer used calendars from other suppliers, believing the Apple ecosystem would make it real easy to have Mac and iPad and iPhone all synchronised.
My new career also involved lots of travel. The Calendar now needed to include travel and hotel info, not just for my planning but also as a useful accounting record, as well as much more detail. Day entries were no longer 9-5 “at work“ plus lunch date and evening “at movies”.
So 2022 arrived and 12 years of Apple Calendar use hit the limit. Apple also confirmed there is no current solution or option. The 50,000 and GB limit is absolute.
Options like Fantastical are no good as a full alternative because it is not independent of Apple’s Calendar. It is only a Viewer and not a Calendar in its own right, so Apple’s limit applies to Fantastical.
The only workaround I’ve found is to export older years from Apple and open them in another Calendar app.
Pre 2016 is in the archive and 2017 onwards remains in Apple Calendar. It’s not ideal but works fairly well. I tried having Work-related in an external Calendar and Home-related in Apple but that is too cumbersome in our day-to-day practice when many work and home activities are codependent.
 

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Yes however that 1GB/50,000 entry limit applies to both calender and reminders so she would have hit the limit either way, or maybe not after iOS 13, iPadOS, or macOS Catalina? Limits for iCloud Contacts, Calendars, Reminders, Bookmarks and Maps

Either way we still have the issue and need to find a workaround/solution.
It actually doesn’t apply to reminders. if you upgraded your reminders app to iCloud when opening the app and clicking on upgrade, you can add as many reminders as you like, as long as you don’t go over your iCloud storage quota.
 

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I'm really surprised to hear there is a limit. Obviously I've never exceeded it but what joeclarke123 said above seems right to me and I have 50GB iCloud storage which is cheap.
 
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I'm really surprised to hear there is a limit. Obviously I've never exceeded it but what joeclarke123 said above seems right to me and I have 50GB iCloud storage which is cheap.
Everything has a limit, it's just that in some cases the limit is so high that it's ignored. But the limiting factor is always storage.
 

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